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Between the Leaves
Episode three: Race

and by default—
an open sea,
what language will not meet me
with rust?

Hosts Ellen and Hermina read a range of poems that go to the heart of race, identity and belonging.

Featured poets

Eunice Andrada

Aunty Kuracca Kerry Reed-Gilbert

Ellen van Neerven

Lisa Bellear

Hermina Burns

Poems (in order of appearance)

Bellear, Lisa. “Hanover Street Brunswick 3056”. Australian Literature Diary blog, Kerryn Goldsworthy, 2006.

van Neerven, Ellen. “Chips”. ABR’s States of Poetry, #17 States of Poetry QLD Podcast | ‘Chips’, 2016.

Burns, Hermina. “Sister Love.” Dodging the relative, Due for release later in 2020.

Reed-Gilbert, Aunty Kuracca Kerry. “Got Ya.” States of Poetry 2017 – ACT anthology, Australian Book Review, 2017.

Andrada, Eunice.  (Because I Am a Daughter) of DiasporaSolid Air : Australian and New Zealand Spoken Word, David Stavanger (editor), Anne-Marie Te Whiu (editor), St Lucia: University of Queensland Press, 2019 anthology poetry pg. 4-5

Correction: We refer to the 1997 report on the Stolen Generation, Bringing them Home as headed by Ronald Henderson. It was in fact headed by Sir Ronald Wilson.


Hosts Ellen van Neerven, Hermina Burns

Music (Intro) Loop Lady – 2. In the Middle by Sally Whitwell; (outro) Black Smoke by Emily Wurramara

Co-producers Mary Crooks AO, Maria Chetcuti, Ally Oliver-Perham

Sound engineer Nicholas Pollock

Recording  Squeak E. Clean Studios, the Voice Plant

Graphic design Aimee Carruthers